03 Sep Ayurveda explained: An Enlightening Conversation with Dr. JV Hebbar

🎙️ Summary Description

In this enlightening episode, we sit down with renowned Ayurvedic physician Dr. JV Hebbar to explore the deep-rooted principles of preventative and curative Ayurveda. Dr. Hebbar shares the timeless wisdom behind daily routines, seasonal regimens, and the importance of living with balance, not just for personal health, but as a responsible member of society.

We dive into how Ayurveda identifies the root causes of disease, the role of detoxification, the power of a strong digestive fire (Agni), and the process of restoring vitality through rejuvenation therapies. Learn why “all disease begins in the stomach” and how the mind’s qualities (Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas) impact overall health.

Dr. Hebbar also emphasizes the value of taking just 10 minutes a day for meditation, prayer, or chanting as a daily mental “autocleanse” to realign with your true path. Plus, we explore how community, family, and connection form the support system that enables long-term healing and resilience. Whether you’re new to Ayurveda or looking to deepen your practice, this conversation offers rich insights and practical tools for a healthier, more conscious life.

 

🌟 Chapters

00:00    Opening Meditation and Introduction to Ayurveda

01:45    Dr. Hebbar’s Journey into Ayurveda

04:09    The Birth of Easy Ayurveda

07:29    Understanding Ayurveda: The Science of Life

16:30    The Body According to Ayurveda: Doshas and Elements

25:05    The Importance of Digestion: Physical and Emotional Health

34:19    Balancing the Doshas: Simple Self-Corrections

37:27    The Importance of Self-Care and Rest

42:18    Understanding Autoimmune Diseases

45:28    The Role of Community and Relationships

46:53    Integrating Yoga into Healing

52:14    Exploring Panchakarma Therapy

59:06    Panchakarma as Preventative Care

1:01:16 Rakta Moksha and Hypertension

1:04:24 Basti

1:11:00 Essential Ayurveda Talks | Essential Ayurveda Cookbook

 

 

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👤 About the Guest

Dr. Janardhana V. Hebbar, BAMS, MD (Ayu), PDDPSM. Dr. Hebbar is a distinguished Ayurvedic doctor from India, holding advanced degrees in Ayurveda, including a B.A.M.S., an M.D. (Ayu), and a Postgraduate Diploma in Pharmaceutical and Sales Management. He is the Managing Director of Easy Ayurveda Hospital and the founder of the widely respected educational platform, EasyAyurveda.com. Through this platform, he has made an immense contribution to the field of Ayurveda, with over 7,500 articles and blog posts published. In addition, he has authored over 10 books on Ayurveda and co-authored two textbooks on Ayurvedic mineralogy. Dr. Hebbar is also a sought-after speaker in the global Ayurvedic community.

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📚 Resources & Mentions

– 📖   Srotas: Body Channels and Duct systems – Easy Explanation

– 📖   Understanding Agni: Concept, Definition, Functions, Types

– 📖   Dhatu – 7 Body Tissues As Explained In Ayurveda

– 📖   E-books about Ayurveda

 

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Lois (00:20)

Namaste. Welcome to Essential Ayurveda Talks. Let’s begin with taking a few breaths. We’ll just inhale deeply.

And then exhale slowly.

I want to take a moment to honor the ancient tradition of Ayurveda, a science rooted in balance, nature, and inner harmony. With deep respect for the healers, the teachers, and the knowledge keepers who came before us, we open this space with gratitude.
Today I’m honored to welcome Dr. Janardhana V. Hebbar to the podcast. Dr. Hebbar is a distinguished Ayurvedic doctor from India, holding advanced degrees in Ayurveda, including B.A.M.S. and M.D. in Ayu and a postgraduate diploma in pharmaceutical and sales management. He’s the managing director of Easy Ayurveda Hospital and the founder of the widely respected educational platform, EasyAyurveda.com, which is one of my favorite websites.
Through this platform, he’s made an immense contribution to the field of Ayurveda. There’s over 7,500 articles and blog posts published. In addition, he’s authored over 10 books on Ayurveda and co-authored two textbooks on Ayurveda mineralogy. Dr. Hebbar is a sought after speaker in the global Ayurveda community, and it’s truly a privilege to have him with us today. Welcome, Dr. Hebbar.

Dr JV Hebbar (01:55)
Thank you and my pleasure being here.

Lois (01:57)
Let’s get started with a little bit about your background. Can you tell us what was your motivation for becoming an Ayurveda doctor?

Dr JV Hebbar (02:05)
My childhood was filled with a bit more pain in that I had undergone an abdominal surgery when I was just nine years old and then there were like four bone fractures I had.

I am actually originally Vata type, so bones are a little weak. And I lost my father when I was a 14 year old, 13, 14 year old.  The hospital visit was quite common. And so that motivated to take up something which is natural in healing. Also with a little bit of luck and other things I ended up with Ayurveda education. Once I got into Ayurveda, and I was also having good knowledge of Sanskrit before coming to Ayurveda, that also helped a lot. That’s how the journey began.

Lois (02:55)
Wow, fascinating.  You were maybe a little discouraged with the allopathic route and then thought the Ayurveda was better or were you treated with Ayurveda and excited about how well it worked?
Dr JV Hebbar (03:08)

I have my due respects to allopathy. Surgery was crucial, was done in an allopathic nursing home also. Throughout this one I have been taken care very well by the allopathic doctors and I have a lot of respect to the allopathic.  Nothing against them I respect all the medical sciences.  All have their own advantages and some disadvantages including Ayurveda.

Ayurveda connected naturally in that, like something which originated in India and rooted in Sanskrit and the principles are quite solid. The science has stood the test of time for more than 5,000-6,000 years now. That attracted me to the field of Ayurveda.

Lois (03:59)
Nice. I wanted to touch upon your easy Ayurveda.com because I was thrilled to have met you at the Ayurveda convention. Whenever I have questions about Ayurveda, I’m Googling and your site (you must have the best SEO) it always comes up first!  I’m always getting my answers there.  I appreciate that very much.
Can you chat a little bit about what inspired you to start Easy Ayurveda and what was your goal in creating that platform?

Dr JV Hebbar (04:28)
Initially, whenever my teachers used to teach Ayurveda, in my mind I was thinking about a way in which the concepts can be explained in simpler ways.  I was always having that simpler, easier voice in my mind to speak Ayurveda step by step, breaking down the different components and putting it down in an easier way.

I attended a conference in 2006 near Chennai. It’s called as Poonanava Conference. At that time, I was doing my first year post-graduation in MD Ayurveda.  There it was attended by all the “who’s who” of Ayurveda, David Frawley, Robert Svoboda, Deepak Chopra, all big people and many Westerners had also come there.

There I attended a cooking session, the morning Homa and many different speakers etc., that really motivated, that know the Ayurveda. That opened my eyes to say that the Ayurveda is really growing outside India also. And there are many misconceptions related to Ayurveda which can be broken down. And I always thought of writing in my own magazine… to come up with my own magazine after post graduation.

After post graduation, I joined an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company called as Aarya Vaidya Nilayam AVM.  They were the first to convert the Kashayams into tablet form. I joined there and they were ramping up the hospital to attract foreign clients.

The managing director gave me the book of blogging and said “you read it and see how we can utilize it to market the hospital and improve the business”.  I just read the book and started my own side project, Easy Ayurveda. It was in a WordPress very basic website.  I started writing and it was just like initially five visitors a day, ten visitors a day etc.

But I got connections from outside India. In about 2-3 months of the website only, in New Jersey there is a Pure Indian Foods run by Sandeep Agarwal. He hired me as a consultant and a very big multinational company contacted me around 6 months into the blogging.  Though the blog was getting only very less amount of audience. I was getting good connections and the blog also started generating revenue.

The main idea of the blog was to tell Ayurveda through my mind in a very simple way. It is mainly directed towards common people to understand the basic concepts of Ayurveda. Even with Ayurveda being so popular in India also, there is a huge amount of misconceptions.

Like, Ayurveda does not have side effects or any medicine can be taken for any number of months. So, I started educating on them and the audience also started replying and encouraging me, correcting me when the topics were not so good.  It has been quite a journey since then.

Lois (07:39)
Yeah, I do notice on any article that I read at the bottom, there’s comments and you’re in there answering all the questions that people are asking. I don’t know how you have time to be a doctor in addition to running the blog… it’s very impressive indeed!

You have an immense knowledge and I do appreciate the clarity with which you’re able to explain things. Can we start with the basics for an international audience, some who may have never really understood what Ayurveda is? What exactly is Ayurveda?

Why is it called the science of life?

Dr JV Hebbar (08:18)
Ayurveda is a medical science which developed from India. The history can be traced back to around 10,000 years. It depends on the textbooks that are available today which were written around 3,000 4,000 years ago.

Ayurveda is made up of two words Ayu and Veda. Veda means science, Ayu means life. Ayurveda simply put is science of life. In India, some 100 to 150 years before, if somebody was fighting a war and an arrow entered in the chest from here and came back from there, they were going to Ayurveda for treatment. It was a mainstream medical system, very well developed and thriving for many centuries and thousands of years in India.

Ayurveda is not like the main principle of modern methodology (which) is that if there is a fever, there should be a microorganism which is causing it. So kill the microorganisms and there will be no fever. The patient can heal.

(In Ayurveda) Everything is in terms of internal factors. Recently, coronavirus came. Since centuries, thousands of years, hundreds of new viruses and bacteria keep on coming. So they cannot be stopped. The only way to fight them is to improve the internal environment of the person. That is one of the basic principles of Ayurveda. You create an internal fighting system, the immunity system so strong that it will fight any microorganism that may enter into the body.

In Ayurveda there are two main focus areas. One is the preventive focus area or preventive health care, in which daily routine is explained like: what is the right time to get up, soon after getting up what to do like brushing the teeth, then oil pulling, then nasal drops, some eye therapies, some ear therapies, applying oil to the hair, full body oil massage, cold water bath versus hot water bath, when to eat, when not to eat, what is the benefits of fasting, how the food should be wholesome etc. Then the prayers and the meditation.

Healthy doesn’t mean that you only have a healthy body, that all the tissues, organs are doing good. It also means having a healthy mind. Not only healthy mind that you think only good and meditate, how you should behave in the society, your responsibility as a social citizen.

Everything is explained in the Preventive Ayurveda.  This is this whole set. AM to PM, morning to evening. What is the right time to sleep? How much do you sleep? If you have skipped the sleep in the last night, what is the remedy for that? How long should you “day sleep” in the next day? And then different types of oils to apply and different types of foods, common remedies.

These AM to PM regimens are called daily regimen or dinacharya… and then also there is seasonal regimen. No matter how diligently you take care of your health you will always be exposed to external factors like rain, cold, wind, extreme sunlight, summer, seasonal changes this will have some impact on your immunity or impact on your health.

Toxins are what we may call as doshas.  They keep on accumulating.  From time to time you have to detoxify yourself from season to season. And you need to adjust your lifestyle, adjust your external environment and internal environment such that you are not affected with many diseases. Daily regimen to take care of our regular health and seasonal regimen to adjust to different seasons and make tiny adjustments in our diet and lifestyle and detoxification therapies from time to time so that we are not affected with any disease.  This whole set is explained with great amount of scientific evidence and reasoning.  This constitutes a preventive Ayurveda.

Next is the curative Ayurveda we are starting from simple diseases, like fever, to complex diseases like cancer, depression, schizophrenia, tuberculosis, cataracts or kidney stones. You take any disease that we have in the modern, every disease they have explained in detail:

• What are the causative factors?
• Then with those causative factors, what are the different factors in the body which go up and down to cause a disease?
• And once the disease is manifesting, which organ does it affect?
• Which body channel does it affect?
• And what are the different symptoms and different stages of disease?
• And how to treat the disease system?
• How to analyze the disease and understand the disease process first?
• And then how to treat it?

The treatment, if it is a mild form of disease or symptoms, say level 1, then give these home remedies and make these diet changes. Level 2 is maybe diet and lifestyle changes and home remedies. Level 3 is certain herbs in the form of teas, hot infusion, cold infusion, fermented liquids, so on and so forth. And then level 4 and level 5 things are going out of control. Then you have your detoxification procedures, what we call generally as panchakarma.

Again in that detoxification procedures, also for certain types of diseases like if the phlegm (or what you say as kapha dosha), water and earth element is increased, then go for vomiting procedure. Like that. A detailed detoxification procedure, and with that, the toxins are eliminated out of the body.

After that, palliative medicines (based on symptoms and to calm down all the symptoms and to energize the patient), are given. And after this, again so that the patient’s immunity is rejuvenated so as to reinforce the patient’s natural body immunity system, certain rejuvenation therapies are also given.

Starting from the detoxification, to improving the digestive fire, and decreasing the symptoms of the patient, and then the rejuvenation and antioxidant therapy… the patient’s immunity is improved. All these things are extremely well laid out.

I am oversimplifying it, but if you open any Ayurveda ancient textbook and read one chapter, it is so fascinating. Don’t worry about the many Sanskrit terms that are used in it. Try to get the gist of it. Maybe read two or three times just the one chapter. Then you will get hooked and then the journey of your Ayurveda also this is just the preventive and the curative aspect of Ayurveda.

In that also, for some psychiatric disorders, the meditation and poojas and different spiritual ways of healing are explained. For some diseases which cannot be cured so easily, use of surgical methods are also explained to treat. For example, Sushruta is considered as a father of surgery by the modern science also.

He was doing cataract surgeries with Ayurvedic principles long back as well.  This is not just like somebody got into meditation and wrote a book and we all follow that. It is a collective experience of thousands of Ayurveda physicians whom you call as Ayurveda Vaidyas.

Collective collection of experiences of thousands of Vaidyas who have come before us that is gifted to us in the form of a beautiful natural science called Ayurveda.

Lois (16:40)
Wonderful. You’ve explained the broad concept.

I think a lot of Westerners, hear Ayurveda, and think Vata, Pitta, Kapha. But it’s really much more detailed mapped out with the elements, the doshas, the influence of Agni and Amma, the dhatus, the tissues and the channels, the srotas. Can you help us understand…How does the body work?

Dr JV Hebbar (17:03)
Yeah, so at the root there is this vata pitta and kapha dosha which can be loosely translated to air element, fire element and earth plus water elements.  These are kind of the softwares.

And they act upon the hardware that is our mind, all the seven tissues, waste products and different organs and systems of the body. I think the software and hardware comparison is very easy, it makes it easier to understand.

Doshas, I think the Ayurveda community people understand it very well. That when they are balanced, they take care of our body.  They take care of all our systems, starting from respiratory system to digestive to muscular system, the cardiovascular, every system in the body works well. That is ensured by the balanced Vata, Pitta and Kapha Doshas.

When they are imbalanced, based on the type of imbalance and where the Doshas are more dominant, it will kick start a disease process or pathology process.

In Ayurveda, mainly the digestive system is given more importance when compared to the other systems. Because what we eat is what we become.

Our health, everything depends on the digestive system itself. And it is explained that all the diseases start from the stomach, or the digestive system itself.

And there is this concept of Agni, or digestive fire, on which the entire body’s immunity, body strength, everything, is heavily dependent on this Agni, or digestive fire.

For example, our mood is dependent on the digestive fire. If the fire is good, we feel active, we can think clearly, our sleep and night and day cycle will be well balanced, and our mind will also be fresh. Whereas in case of fever, for example, we cannot concentrate, so we cannot engage in reading or any heavy thinking activity, the mind becomes heavy and we cannot really do anything.  There again, fever is again a disease where the digestive fire is very low.  Digestive fire controls the mind, digestive fire also controls the breathing. For example, in any disease or respiratory tract, we usually have weak digestion strength also.

So, a due amount of importance is given to the digestive health, not only the digestive fire. Digestive fire is measured with hunger.  How frequently do we feel hungry, and when we feel hungry, do we take food? Then, what is the quality of food and with the good quality food that we take all the nutrition in the food, is it well digested by the body, by the digestive system. And after digestion, is it well absorbed and utilized by the digestive system and whole of the body?

Many of the diseases, we call as metabolic diseases, starting from obesity to cardiac disorders to hypertension, diabetes, cholesterol….everything starts with this channel being interrupted. Are we feeling hungry and are we taking the right quantity of food? Are we taking the right quality food? Are we making the right food choices? And is the food that we are taking very well digested? After digestion, is is very well absorbed? And after absorption, is it utilized by the body, so that all the nutrition that we get is utilized and the waste products are eliminated out from time to time?

This differentiates the health and the disease. In a healthy person, for example, he takes healthy food.  Then it gets digested. And after the digestion, it is absorbed by the body and initially tissue is formed out of it which we call as rasadhatu.

Rasadhatu can be simplified as the nutritional component or nutrition part of the food which is in our blood circulation, or which is circulating all over the body. While it is circulating all over the body, it will nourish the body. The initial dhatu nourishes all the body tissues.

From there, the further and further tissues are well nourished. From rasa to blood (or rakta), from there to muscles (or mamsa), then fat tissue (or medhas), then to the bone tissue (ashti), then bone marrow (majja) and then finally the reproductive tissue (shukra/artava).

All the tissues are well nourished. And for this to happen: one is that Agni should be good; the quality of food should be good; and absorption capacity should be good. And there should not be any obstacle from the first tissue to the last tissue.

If there is any obstacle then the nutrition tends to accumulate only in one type of tissue. That also becomes a problem. For example, in an obese patient, all the nutrition gets utilized to nourish only the fat tissue. From there, subsequent bone marrow and reproductive tissue is not very well nourished. The patient becomes more obese every day. This is over simplification to understand how important is the channels being patent, so that the nourishment is circulated all over the body.

Lois (23:10)
I interrupt one moment, please?  There is a successive nutrition for each tissue: .. rasa, rakta, mamsa, meda, ashti, majja, etc.. If the nutrition is blocked at the fat, at the meda tissue, then the successive tissues, the bone, the nervous system, et cetera, are not getting nourished.

Correct?

Dr JV Hebbar (23:31)
Yes.

Obese people have trouble with infertility. Have weaker bones. This is one simplified way of seeing. In an obese patient, the accumulated fat tissue also disrupts many other functions.

It becomes like a vicious cycle where the agni becomes fired up, and the absorbed nutrition only supports the fat tissue alone. And then at one point of time, this accumulated fat tissue also turns pathological. The fat tissue itself becomes like a toxin. Then it will have, I mean it makes a person vulnerable to diabetes.

In diabetes also, the sloka reads, medhastha, mahamastha, it starts with that. The vitiated mahamasa, vitiated medha, shri raja, kledha, so on and so forth.  Vitiated fat tissue also affects our heart, our lungs, our metabolic system, diabetes, blood vessels, cholesterol.  One of the other things will also start becoming affected with one or the other pathologies.

This is how it is explained. And then there are these different organ systems, like respiratory system, controlled mainly by Kapha and Vata Dosha, then the skeletomuscular system, controlled mainly by the Vata Dosha, but nourishment is got by Kapha.  Then there are different systems which all work in unison to make the body stable.

On top of this, there is another layer of mind which is affected by Rajas and Tamas and the quality of sattva that we hold which makes our persona.  All this combined determines our mental and physical health.

Lois (25:32)
Thank you.  I also want to tie in what you said a little bit at the beginning. In addition to our food requiring proper digestion, our thoughts, feelings and emotions also need to be properly digested. And when those are not properly digested, those can also create stagnation and blockages in our energetic channels.

Do you think that when people are not digesting, processing their emotions, like their work is stressful and they’re internalizing it, or maybe they have a relationship issue and it’s being internalized. How does that impact the body? And can it be as detrimental to their health as say, eating too much ice cream or drinking too much alcohol or something?

Dr JV Hebbar (26:18)
Any of my consultations that I do at the Easy Ayurveda hospital, mental facets are usually given importance. We start with general questions like, how is your sleep? When you get up in the morning, do you feel little bit irritation to wake up?

Do you get any nightmares? How much is your smartphone usage in a day? Are there any worries or anxieties? We start from these indirect questions and as the patient becomes familiar with us, close with us, they start opening up.

In this day and age, we cannot overcome or we cannot fix all of our mental aspects. We cannot have a perfect relationship. We cannot have a perfect morning routine every day. We cannot have a good night sleep every night. We cannot even have a perfect diet also but that’s more of a physical problem.

So first thing is to give ourselves a little bit of a mind space to do some things which sometimes are not say perfectly healthy if you are reading a book and you are enjoying it and if you are continuing to enjoy it, enjoy it. Read a few more pages before you go to sleep.  It’s all right.

And if you got into an altercation with your partner and things are not right. At least after that, analyze it and maybe buy a gift or make it up the next day. Or if the altercation and difference of opinions are continuing, at least do your bit to calm down the situation.

You cannot control your situation all the time. You can only react and be truthful. One of the things that I try to practice as much as I can is to do no harm, least intentionally do not do harm verbally or mentally or anything.

Do the best that you can. At the end of the day, the worry will not come because things did not turn out your way. The guilt feeling especially comes out if you have not tried hard enough to solve the situation.

Like you were not present there and doing the right things. At least that is one of the spectrums that we can have, that prisms that we can have, that am I doing my best in the given situation.  That is one thing.

And another thing, is that for everyone I feel that because there are so many external factors that we cannot control, it’s always good to have a meditation process. It can be as simple as chanting 10 times AUM, or reading 5 pages of the bible or any other religious or spiritual book.

And so it can start with that, and you develop your own regimen like: soon after waking up you will not do anything like do not touch your smartphone or engage in any other things. Take a shower and spend like 5 minutes, 10 minutes in those spiritual things. It can be even religious things also. It need not be like hyper spiritual, ultra-focused mind, conscious meditation. It need not be like that.

It can be like simple pooja. It can be a simple prayer that you offer to your favorite deity, irrespective of any religion, any god that you want to follow.  There should be something that you do which keeps you at the center. So this should be your place where you collect your mind back.  This is like repair time for your mind. That no matter what you do, there will be some mistakes that you do and all. This is where you believe. You may not know how the correction happens, but this is the time, or this is the regimen, that you follow for your mind to auto heal itself.

Just believe that and do whatever is convenient and you like the most. Take the help of a spiritual guru if he or she is available to you. Or read some books, talk to your friends, develop your regimen and follow that.  That will have that auto cleansing and auto healing mechanism to your mind.  Whatever the minor disturbances that can happen to the mind will auto cleanse.

And Ayurvedic methods like regular application of oil really helps to keep the mind calm. And think through before we speak. My favorite is the Brahmi Thaila. For all the patients having any psychological symptoms, apply Brahmi Taylor to the head, especially at night and also apply a little bit of that onto your forehead, into the temple region and close the eyes and then go to sleep. At least it will make the sleep deeper.

These have been my common things and of course Pranayama is extremely beneficial having at least 20 minutes exercise schedule whatever you like yoga if you like it very much even lifting weights or gymnasium or outdoor games cycling it can be a mix of, for example, cardio exercises including yoga and a little bit of muscle exercises, so weight training, so it can be a mix of them so that you feel active throughout the day. And also, a tired body sometimes yields good sleep so all things combined like active body also helps in having an active mind and all these things and like enjoying the life that we have been given.

And there are also a few spiritual things that I personally follow like, “what is the best moment of my life?”. This is the best moment of my life, like chatting with you and sharing the knowledge to the world.

Lois (32:33)
Thank you.

Dr JV Hebbar (32:34)
Like I mean, if I’m drinking a tea with my wife in the cafeteria of the hospital, that is the best moment of life. Like I’m spending my time with children, helping them with their homework. What more I need? I have my daughters and I’m helping them do things.

Even if you are in a wrong position, like you are having an altercation with a friend, that is also a best situation of your life. There is something to take home and learn and autocorrect yourself and readjust your life. This is the best moment. You are healthy, I am standing erect, I did not meet with an accident, I am not horizontal, I am still vertical.

Take it light, do not take yourself too seriously and be humble in whatever you do. Do not let ego direct your decisions or your behavior. Always check that whether it is your ego or not. You can be dead in like 2 minutes. We do not know. Always have that. All this comes with reading spiritual books, reading biographies of spiritual people etc. And also have a good spiritually minded people so that if you get stuck, you can talk to them and find solutions. Have your alternate spiritual life going in some other way.

Lois (34:03)
I love this.  This attitude of gratitude to auto correct and being present. It’s everything that my spiritual teachers have taught. And it’s very important to keep the mind healthy and that in turn will help keep your body healthy and keep everyone happy.

I’m going to jump back a little bit back to when the doshas get out of balance. Ayurveda has the principle about opposites balance. Can you chat a little bit about that so people can maybe autocorrect themselves out of balance?

Dr JV Hebbar (34:49)
Simple way of auto correction is that if you eat little bit more in the restaurant or in a party in the night, maybe it’s a good idea to delay your breakfast for a few hours.  That is just the auto correction.

Feeling sluggish maybe exercise is the answer and if you are deprived of sleep maybe increasing the sleeping hours at night or just taking a nap maybe before your afternoon lunch

Ayurveda recommends that it takes half an hour to if you skip the sleep by half an hour, maybe it’s a good idea to take a nap for 15-20 minutes.  These are the minor adjustments that you can make. And based on the symptoms also, food should be equal with all the six tastes, they said. In modern times, good amount of fats, good amounts of carbohydrates, proteins, minerals, everything should be there. The food should be, try to make it as wholesome as possible. Include a variety of tastes in your food. And again, regular exercise. And during some days when you feel really tired and when you have early symptoms of cold etc. Do not exercise. Your body needs rest. May be a virus is active or the dosha or vata is increased along with Kapha.  Your natural strength is not there. Just listen to the body and act accordingly.

Simple things that are told in Ayurveda with the help of Vedas is that if you feel hunger, you eat food or wait till the hunger is really manifested. Sometimes we mentally feel hunger and we grab five burgers.  like I really wait till the hunger is hunger, like you are feeling it in the stomach. Sometimes we feel the hunger in the mind and we just go and eat whatever we want. That and also like a thirst also. Do not keep on drinking water. Feel thirsty and drink water and drink sufficient quantity of water to satiate your thirst. As simple as that.

Sleep when you feel like sleeping and cry when you are feeling like crying.  These are very simple things that we can incorporate easily.

Lois (37:18)
It is very easy and we tend to over complicate things. I think it’s because we live in a very busy society where we got to get up, we got to do our work, we’ve got to perform, we’ve got to take care of the family. And maybe if you’re cooking food, you’ve got to prepare meals and stuff.  There’s a lot going on in the Western society for sure.

Dr JV Hebbar (37:37)
Yeah.

Lois (37:40)
And I think we often ignore those signs like, well, I’m tired, but I need to get this done.  I’m going to stay up till three in the morning to finish it. And then I’ll just wake up at six because I have to go to work. And then there’s never a catch up. And then eventually the body will protest. Right? So I think your, your tip about, you know, every day centering yourself is a good way to just step back, slow down from the extreme chaos that a lot of people in the West are dealing with. And maybe in India too, but I don’t know so much about that. And just do a check in with yourself every day. Like, do I need more rest? And then if you can’t do it during the week, maybe catch up on the weekend. That’s, I think where a lot of people have to do it here.

Dr JV Hebbar (38:27)
Interrupting there. Better to break down your work into different chunks and deal with that in different parts of the day.

If every day you are working until 11 or 12 midnight, either you are overburdening yourself and it is not going to help. The research says that sitting for long term is worse than smoking a pack of cigarettes every day. So break down things, maybe delegate a few things to other co-workers if you have them.

Or do focus work where you do not touch your phone or do anything and just you are doing only one thing.  Like that improve your productive output per hour and compress everything into the work hours only.

Whatever are there left over, take those works the next day is always a better thing rather than like work work work and take rest only in the weekends.  For the most part our daily life ideally should be similar so that we do not even on the Sundays also we should be able to wake up early.  All those things should be maintained and so the problem is we never get time to like reset the whole thing.

We do not have time to self-analysis what is happening in my life. The journaling helps but we do not have time to pick up a pen and a paper.  All those things are there. That’s why two things is that one is that meditation we can rely on the meditation to autocorrect itself. I firmly believe this if you are doing puja or religious things or meditation etc. the subconscious mind will correct most of the things and it will make you to meet the right kind of people. It will take if you are like truth speaking and on the right side of following the Dharma. You are not doing any planning to axe murder somebody or like if you are…if your original intent is to help people earn money in the righteous way, help other people, all the positive things are there, then your subconscious mind will automatically lead you in the best way possible. But for that we need to have at least 10 minutes of spiritual and religious time.

Lois (41:13)
That makes sense. My issue is that I want to finish everything before I go to bed. And in my mind, I think I will sleep better because it’s done. But I go to bed thinking about what I was working on all night, And I don’t think I’m alone in that.

Yeah, get on a schedule and meditate I hear that loud and clear. I will try to do that.

Dr JV Hebbar (41:30)
Yeah,

I still remember, we were finishing the Therak Samhita book and I was awake up until 4:30 in the morning, 4:30 or 5:30 in the morning. On some days we have to, if we ever have to be professionally oriented, have to crash some days and sleep less. But that should not become a habit.

Lois (41:58)
Is that kind of the root cause of most autoimmune disease, would you say?

Dr JV Hebbar (42:04)
Yeah, autoimmune disease, I mean I see a lot these days like from psoriasis to vitiligo to rheumatoid arthritis to psoriatic arthritis, varieties of things and one is the one main cause, mean, genetically or hereditary we cannot, that keeping aside.

Let the sleep, rest, exercise, eating, digestion, metabolism and utilization of the nutrition by the body. This cycle is disturbed in most of the people. That is causing most of these problems.

Change in the constant erratic lifestyle and diet and not taking self-care is a major cause for autoimmune diseases also. I would agree with that.

Lois (42:53)
Are you seeing a lot of autoimmune in India? I’m assuming that most of your clients are in India, not in the West. Is that a correct assumption? And if so, are you saying that there’s an increase in autoimmune that you’re seeing in India?

Dr JV Hebbar (43:09)
In the Easy Ayurveda Hospital, our Western clients and Indian clients who get admitted are almost equal. For now, as of today, our Western clients are more in the hospital than the Indian clients.

I am seeing across the board, Indian or western it doesn’t matter. these are common things that I can say. Almost everyone has some amount of stress involved, sleep is disturbed, they are not following their self-care regimen in one or the other form, simple like hair oil application, nobody does, even in India nowadays.

There is no rest time. The diet is like most people who work in cities like Bangalore etc. eat outside restaurant foods and also like in some many cases bad habits like smoking or drinking alcohol.  These are all different things that have become quite common.

And like strained relationships, city life living away from parents, increased responsibilities, going too much behind career and neglecting family and then regrets in the relationship errors that happen either through known causes or controllable causes or uncontrollable causes.

All these play a big role in this. In Western, I see it little bit more that successful marriages have become a not so common, lonely life, unpredictable future, fear of the future, like what will happen, I am just alone.

All those things. For millions of years we have been built to be a social person. Having friends and family and children and husband and wife and parents. We live in an ecosystem. For example, I live with my mother and my mother-in-law and my daughters and my wife.  There is this ecosystem.

Lois (45:10)
Nice.

Dr JV Hebbar (45:11)
To take care not all the time I will be happy so the children will cut a joke then I become happy then at least even with the daughters also I was thinking in India in world over it is becoming a problem. Like I have two daughters 11 and 14 and they chat throughout the day. I was thinking that if we had only one child, so much opportunity to share …and of course they quarrel and become red with that…but so many interactions happen. And that would have been otherwise, with only one daughter ….I would have missed so many of the interactions that happens hours and hours in a day.

Lois (45:50)
Nice.

Dr JV Hebbar (45:50)
We need to be connected more. If you do not have a sibling or if parents are far away and all things, at least have a good friend circle, like a positive friend circle. Share your things, help them without them asking you. You also seek help.  At least maintain a good relationship in and around somehow.

Lois (46:11)
Sure, community is very important, whether it’s your family, your extended family or friends, it’s important to stay connected.

I’m gonna jump back to … you were talking about Easy Ayurveda Hospital and I wanna chat a little bit about that because when I looked at your website, I noticed that alongside like these preventative and rejuvenative therapies, you had the acute and the complex care for health issues, similar to what someone in the West would see when they go to a hospital.  One thing that stood out to me was that you offer yoga in the hospital.  In the West, I think a lot of people think of yoga as just a physical fitness, routine or stretching or something that they don’t want to do.  Could you talk to us about why yoga is in your hospital and maybe the deeper role that yoga plays in healing?

Dr JV Hebbar (47:02)
Yeah, I we have like a separate yoga section. We have like a 950 square feet yoga hall. While the patient comes with say knee joint pain and like I know intrinsically that everybody lacks a little bit of “me time” for themselves. I told the morning regimen of 10 minutes or 20 minutes, nobody has it. Like 90 % of the people do not have their own time.

They are introduced to chanting Aum for 10 times. We have for everyone who is at the hospital, not for the patients with severe diseases, it is for the patients, caretakers and other people who can follow yoga. We have free yoga to everyone from 7 to 8 in the morning. That is not just like yoga, this, asana, this and asana, that little bit of meditation, little bit of breathing technique, bit of pranayama and all.  It is our little help to the patients to see, to adopt that even after once they go back.  That they have this come to this 10 minutes, 20 minutes regimen where they can fall into one practice.

Lois (48:24)
Yes.

Dr JV Hebbar (48:28)
And they can continue that. And we encourage them if they are say different religions, you do this and also read a prayer of Jesus Christ or Buddha’s, practice whatever you want to practice do also that. So you are born with a certain religion and certain this one for a reason and every religion has their own spiritual religious practices, do that also. That also helps to reinforce that, to bring back that spiritual time in everyone’s life is one of our goals.

Also, yoga is also useful. For example, how BAMS is five and half years, there is this BNYS course in Ayurveda Bachelor of Naturopathy and Yoga Sciences. It’s a five or five and a half years course. The whole thing, the entire five years they spend in learning the therapeutic yoga. Like yoga for healing many diseases. And we strongly believe that that also is useful. Like why you have this Ayurveda like very well structured. You do the Panchakarmas and then the Upakarmas like Massage, Shirodhara, Nasya.

Patra pinda, Pottali Sweda Ela kizhi all those procedures and diet and lifestyle you are doing. Like you are already trying to cover the disease from all angles.  Cover with yoga also. There is this a bit of opportunity another thing is that we I mean this is like internal matter. I am letting the secret out.

Dr JV Hebbar (50:04)
We want our patients to be engaged from AM to PM with one or the other activities otherwise they will get bored. We want us to stay through the course of Panchakarma for 2 to 3 weeks at least. The therapies that they undergo, the consultations, the rounds, the revisions with the doctors etc., it eats up around 2 to 3 hours in a day.

Then we have the extra yoga session, then it becomes morning one hour extra yoga and then disease specific yoga and pranayama etc that eats up another one hour.  They engaged throughout the day and they are being active also. We do not do yoga during say for example the preparation time of panchakarma. Like during Snehapana we avoid that.  We take care of that.

Out of the Panchakarma, when they are recovering, there is good amount of time to be spent. There we incorporate all these things. Like cover the disease from all possible angles. And sometimes these psychiatric things they do not come up no matter how friendly you become with your client. You cannot break the guard that some patients may hold.

For them, the unknown causes they will be having, they will be very complex, for example, relationships. Like they divorce and married and second divorce.  They may not be comfortable opening up with you.  All those things can be addressed with yoga. Like set up with that 20 minutes regimen which auto-heals is the goal.

Lois (51:38)
Yes.

Yeah, I have found that with the yoga. I came to yoga before Ayurveda.  I studied yoga for about 20 years. I had a daily practice, very strong, consistent daily practice. And I felt like it just sort of worked magically on me without me having to really confront all the issues that I was holding within myself.  I highly endorse yoga.

Dr JV Hebbar (52:02)
I can see that with your skin, my skin is really bad. Maybe it’s the right time to practice what I speak.

Lois (52:08)
Thank you. You look very healthy!

Just one other thing. You mentioned Panchakarma, which I’m familiar with the term, but I bet a lot of people who are going to eventually listen to this podcast may not know that term.  It’s a Sanskrit word.

Do you want to chat a little bit about what that is and talk about why people come to the hospital, why maybe they come to that specifically?

Dr JV Hebbar (52:36)
The disease process can be broken down into two stages. One is that mild imbalance of doshas or mild accumulation of toxins. If that is case, say you only have a cough for two days, for example. You need not rely on Panchakarma or any big thing. Can just take for example ginger tea. And it could healed

When the dosha are mildly aggravated to a level, there is disease but that can be well addressed with the remedies and the diet changes, the lifestyle changes and simple Ayurveda medicines. But if a disease process aggravates rapidly to cause a bigger disease with bigger symptoms, or if the disease is lingering on for quite a long period of time (like psoriasis for 15 years, diabetes for 20 years plus or like rheumatoid arthritis for many years) or even if it is short period also it is severe pain it is so debilitating that you cannot walk or like flex your fingers.

If that is there, then in these conditions we say it has like aggravated dosas or aggravated toxins. They cannot be mitigated. The simple symptomatic relief with herbal tea and the tablets and capsules and the powders or even simple external therapies are also not sufficient to calm down the aggravated pathology.  These aggravated toxins, the only way to give relief to the client is to eliminate out those toxins.  That is where the Panchakarma comes in handy.

If the dosha is simply put or in the chest region or of Kapha dosha type, for example in case of extreme cold and cough, then we say that Kapha is excessively aggravated, then we do what we call as Vamana where vomiting is induced. All the toxins are eliminated out, your lungs feel free, then you start breathing well.  This is oversimplified form of explanation with an example.

Then you have like a lingering on digestive issues with irritable bowel type and like severe burning sensation. Then we say that the fire element is increased and always it is bloating and constipation type sometimes, sometimes diarrhea. We say that the air and the fire elements are disturbed in the stomach. Then we do another type of panchakarma called as Veerachana where we give the purgation medicines as simple as say 20 ml castor oil.  We give that not just the castor oil we have a procedure to follow before and after that. We give that and eliminate the excessive fire element in the vata and pitta dosha, air element out of our systems through the lower root.

We have like a nasal procedure for head and neck disorders. We give the nasal drops and we eliminate out or drain out all the toxins from the head and neck region.  This is a panchakarma and then there is this enema therapy for all the neurological problems, we call as Vata problems.

And then we also have like a bloodletting therapy in our Easy Ayurveda hospital. We have like a minor OT, operation theater, where we do the bloodletting therapy, the leech therapy and other bloodletting therapies. When the blood is intoxicated, causing a cyst, tumor or chronic skin disease in particular region, even in sciatica also it is useful.

These are all different ways of detoxification procedures which are called as panchakarma. One of the misconceptions is that general body massage and steam therapy is detoxification. It detoxifies to a small extent but this Ayurveda detoxification is for very serious disorders like chronic kidney disease, with very high creatinine for example, liver disease like grade 3 fatty liver, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease or liver cirrhosis, chronic asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, I’m just giving a few examples.

The five types of detox equation procedures that I explained form the basis of Ayurveda in dealing with aggravated dosha…the toxins which had to be eliminated out of the body. Once you do that, is not the end of the story.

Major toxins are eliminated out. But some symptoms may linger on or some toxins will be there still. For them, we start giving ginger tea and the Dashamoola Kwath and many herbal oils, herbal ghee, medicines, some external therapies also.

After the detoxification procedure, the body becomes more receptive to. You can take less number of medicines in less dose, but your symptoms will heal faster.

Then other therapies like rejuvenation is given so that this does not reoccur and body’s immunity is well corrected and well established.

Someone is listening to any foreign country, please search for the Ayurveda Panchakarma Center near you and please visit an Ayurveda practitioner near you. I am sitting in India where Ayurveda took its birth and shape. Nowadays in USA, Europe and many other countries there are numerous Ayurveda practitioners.

They are available offering Panchakarma. I would recommend everyone to visit their local Panchakarma center and get a consultation and therapy done.

Lois (58:37)
I’m going to have some links on my website for Panchakarma centers internationally. Hopefully that will help out. And then one other thing.  Here we were just mostly talking about Panchakarma for curative reasons, like you have some disease.

My understanding is also very important to do it in the spring in the fall. Like, I don’t know how many Westerners are going to make time for that where we don’t make time to sleep, but maybe someone might want to incorporate a Panchakarma vacation. Can you talk a little bit about that? Using it as a preventative therapy and..when would you recommend …how frequently should someone do it? and how long should they do it? Is a week enough? I think you mentioned two weeks. If we go to India, should it be a month?

Dr JV Hebbar (59:26)
Yeah, the preventive regimen, like I told, seasonally some dosas will be getting aggravated from time to time. That’s why it’s told that in the rainy season, basti treatment is told because vata dosa is very high. In India, falls under June, July, August in this period.

In the fall the pitta dosa becomes high so virechana is very good there and in spring the kapha dosa becomes high so vamana is mentioned there. If someone comes from outside India and we are entirely dependent on their schedule, if they come even for 10 days also we adjust our treatment. We say to them openly that it’s kind of an adjustment that we’re doing.  With 21 days we have like a proper time for them to come out of jet lag and then start the Snehapana and then Vamana, Virechana and then the external therapy along with Basti …at least we can follow the protocol. 3 weeks, 1 month is very ideal. Three weeks is good, 15 days is also fine, 10 days is okay. We adjust based on that. Ideally 2 to 3 weeks should be good to have some proper panchkarma and rest and relaxation. After panchkarma also there will be some amount of tiredness etc. The agni will be weak. It has to be revived so better to give some time of rest even after panchkarma for at least for a few days. Yeah so these are the main three seasons.

Dr JV Hebbar (1:01:16)
And I heard from a practitioner from South India, they are from Kerala. They consider this hypertension as a blood tissue viciousness disorder. It can be correlated to Rakta Gata Vata or Vata Rakta or it can be correlated as Rakta Dusti, dosha affecting the blood.

There is a system in which the Rakta Moksha which is one of the bloodletting therapy, is one of the panchakarma therapies, they do it in the fall season because in fall season the pitta is high, so also the…

Rakta dosha is also vitiated.  They do it annually and they do not take any medicine for their hypertension for the rest of the year.

And they have observed that people who undergo that, the pitta balances very well.  It is beyond what can be explained through the modern science. It’s really effective and I encourage everyone.

Lois (1:02:15)
So I know that they’re doing bloodletting in the US also. I read it somewhere…I didn’t really look into it. It kind of scares me. Does it hurt?

Dr JV Hebbar (1:02:26)
It doesn’t hurt.

If for example, bloodletting therapy is not so legal or if there are some restrictions, at least there is this Snehapana procedure ahead of bloodletting therapy.  Do that and then get an Abhyanga and Svayadhanaya done. And then the next day go and donate blood. It’s kind of a…

Lois (1:02:52)
Do it yourself. It’s a little hack.

Dr JV Hebbar (1:02:55)
In India there are blood donation centers where they accept the blood.  It can become a habit like that also.

Lois (1:03:07)
Very interesting. I also want to just reinforce what you just said.  This Panchakarma, it’s an entire process that starts with the oleation, internal and external application of oil to the body. Anyone who’s done it, the Westerners are always talking about drinking the ghee. Then you do the different therapies, the cleansing therapies, and then there’s the rejuvenation therapies.  It’s a whole process.

I think sometimes what we do in the West is we hear something and then we take it out of context. And we’re like, OK, I’m just going to give myself enemas. Because that’s what they do in Ayurveda. But it’s not just the enema. It’s how the whole process works together to effectively clean out the toxins and help you go on the path of rejuvenation.  To always be cleansing isn’t really good if you’re not doing the rejuvenation piece of it too.

I just want to emphasize Ayurveda is a system, there’s processes for doing things. And while there are some maybe little hacks that we can do, like doing… giving the blood like you mentioned, you should really talk to someone who has studied Ayurveda before just carte blanche trying to make up your own way of doing this. Does that sound like good advice?

Dr JV Hebbar (1:04:24)
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.  it’s not just like taking a castor oil and you have like five bowels and you call it as a virechana or just put in nasal drops as this one. Like it is a proper science and there is this pre-regimen and post-regimen. And so better everything is done under the guidance of a good Ayurveda practitioner, like who knows what they are doing.

I remember a famous Ayurveda Vaidya in India, expired recently, his name is Yel Mahadevan, very famous in South India. He has guided thousands and thousands of practitioners. He was a Basti specialist. He was giving around 200-300 Bastis every day. He was having around 400 patients every day, like was a legend.

He was given all sorts of Bastis. He had invented his own Basti machine and all those things. He had even done a barium meal x-ray study to check how long the Basti goes inside once it is given. In one of the presentations, I still remember it was in 2003, in Kochi in World Ayurveda Congress, he presented and made a case that the Basti medicine is not related just with the colon. Like the large intestine it goes up to the ileum and jejunum also like in the intestines also.  He was saying that.

I still remember he said that like simple 60 ml Matara Basti he has given and a complex 1000 plus ml Niruha Basti he has given like after Niruha Basti surgery the patient will walk and be alright. Sometimes with 60 ml of mathra vasti also the patient may have breathing difficulty, unconsciousness and many different things.  These Panchakarmas as easy as it may seem, we should be doing the measures to lack catch complications also.

Care is very important and do not take Ayurveda lightly. That’s another thing. Even for both the practitioners and other patients both, sometimes what happens is we get, we also take interns like foreign interns to shadow the Ayurveda doctors here and learn Panchakarma, therapies, etc. like hands-on, learn medicine making, everything.

Dr JV Hebbar (1:06:56)
Like they can go through the admitted patients quiz sheets and learn and they can ask the doctors like why these therapies are like take observe the journey of the patient from day one to day 20 where they are healing so it’s a learning experience I have had like more than 200 foreign students coming here for internship and other things. Some students, they have learnt Ayurveda with few textbooks and with certain doctor or certain teacher they think that the whole thing is that that is Ayurveda and beyond that whatever we do here rather than learning they try to teach us that this is not the way I mean you be open I might have read like am not bragging, I have read all these books, but there is always this amount of books everywhere. Like everyone see this.  These books are there.

Lois (1:07:46)
Yes, yes.

It’s a vast science.

Dr JV Hebbar (1:07:51)
I have not read all the books yet. Like be humble.

Lois (1:07:55)
Yes, yes. One other question. Once I did do Panchakarma when I was in India and I remember the massage tables were made out of wood and I’m very thin, it was very uncomfortable.

In your hospital, do you use those traditional tables and maybe chat about why they’re used to begin with?

Dr JV Hebbar (1:08:14)
Yeah, I mean we use those tables only like wooden things and for people who feel uncomfortable, especially Vata people who have bony prominence, we use cushioned bed also or sometimes cushion on the logical places like knee if they are… All the support we give.

Lois (1:08:29)
Okay.

Okay, so you make some exceptions for the vatas.  Now we get that out of the way. And the other thing is the food. I know that there are some Panchakarma places that really cater to the Westerners. The one that I went to was very traditional and I was the only Westerner there…it was all Indians. And the food was very, very spicy. I was also very sensitive to the spice as I had a vata pitta imbalance. What is the food like there? Are you just feeding them kichiri? Are you feeding them thalis?

Dr JV Hebbar (1:09:09)
We customize the food based on the patient’s condition. It may involve some fruit juices, some yusha, do you say, the broth or the soups. It can even include kicharis, fruit bowl or even the vegetables.

Different types and usually we keep it less spicy but still the less spicy is more spicy for many people we then further reduce the spice sometimes it takes around one or two days for us to adjust to the palate of the patient and then like we do not want the patients to suffer like we want them to enjoy as much.  We customize everything. After two or three days patients become accustomed.

Too much salt, too much spicy for a person who has not eaten any type of such type of food can severely aggravate pitta dosa, it not healthy at all, then why to give that.

Lois (1:10:15)
Okay, I think we’ve covered a lot of territory. To wrap up, I know you’re on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, Spotify.  I’ll put links in the show notes so people can find you and I hope they’ll check out your website and maybe if there’s anyone that wants to intern at your hospital, they can reach out to you.

If people want to do Panchakarma, they can take a trip to India. And maybe I’ll organize something in the future, because I’m due for Panchakarma too!

Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. I hope to see you again soon.

Dr JV Hebbar (1:10:45)
Thank you, it was so nice and refreshing to talk to you and my all best wishes to you in Ayurveda learning and then practice. Be brave and take new challenges and overcome them and succeed.

Lois (1:11:05)
I will. Thank you so much. Bye